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Post by Larry Koschkee on Mar 20, 2003 20:06:57 GMT -5
The Henry Dodge specific quotes in this thread indicate it is highly unlikely that an Indian was recruited and served in one of Dodge's companies and I reject the idea that he was a benevolent "Father" to the Indian as was suggested herein.
In many respects I find agreement with some of the thoughtful points Mr. Shrake has made... points that reasonable people can find some common ground on both sides of the argument. And as usual, Mr. Braun has articulated several points to substantiate his beliefs.
This exchange of ideas and opinions is the reason I visit this message board.
To those who would listen, Henry Dodge's words of hostility speak volumes about the man.
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Post by Robert Braun on Mar 21, 2003 10:20:44 GMT -5
Larry, I stipulate each Dodge quote you have provided in this thread. I further stipulate that writings and quotes may well be revealing of an individuals character and nature at the time of the writing. Writings that maintain a substantially similar course over a period of time may indeed indicate a person's basic values mix.
However, the CONTEXT of your quotes overwhelmingly shows Dodge (during a few weeks in 1832) in the midst of an active campaign against an armed and determined foe-- a foe that had associated with them (rightly or wrongly) several instances of wanton murder of unarmed settlers, women, and children. Dodge's "words of hostility" DO indeed speak volumes... given the context in which he spoke or wrote them.
You seem to be saying that Dodge's 1832 writings speak for his entire life's outlook regarding native people... at least that appears to be the reason for your rejection of the plausability of an Oneida Indian in one of Dodge's companies. I have provided examples that demonstrated Dodge displayed words, behaviors, and deeds OTHER than bullying or hostility to native people throughout his life. I suppose to admit the plausability that an Oneida may have served in one of Dodge's companies might be yet another clue to Dodge's character and attitude toward native people.
[By the way, I define "plausible" as "superficially fair, reasonable."]
Larry, you have stated that it was "highly unlikely that an Indian was recruited and served in one of Dodge's companies." Are you hinting that Daniel M. Parkinson lied in his journal account?
In closing, I never suggested that Dodge was a benevolent "Father" to the Indian. I merely provided a quote from a native leader that demonstrated respect for Dodge... which was something you challenged me to locate.
Cordially, Bob.
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Post by Larry Koschkee on Mar 21, 2003 11:48:44 GMT -5
Bob... we are certainly in two different camps on this issue and we have commented on "going over plowed ground." By now the readers of this message board are probably wondering if the horse that was pulling the plow died in the harness and we are kicking it.
In closing I will comment on your question... Are you hinting that Daniel M. Parkinson lied in his journal account? Let's just say I am skeptical of his comment.
Regards, Larry K.
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Post by Robert Braun on Mar 21, 2003 13:31:10 GMT -5
Larry, thank you for your cordial response. Given the number of hits this thread has had, I rather suspect that there is more interest out there than people are willing to admit. I am most pleased that our regular contributors have the intestinal fortitude to weight in with their thoughts, regardless of what "camp" they reside. What say you "lurkers" out there? Regarding "plowed ground"--- I see nothing wrong with occasionally reviewing information posted earlier and elsewhere on this board, particularly when it is discussed literally nowhere else. That being said, I'll be mindful of too many "kicks at the cat"... or horse. Thankfully, this board isn't the U. S. Congress... where the "nothing new" dodge is employed to silence information to which the opposition had no thoughtful response! Unless someone wishes to pursue the Oneida Indian discusssion from a different angle, we'll end it here. ADIOS! Bob.
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Post by Sailor98 on Mar 24, 2003 12:39:36 GMT -5
I have enjoyed the posts on all subjects with regards to this board. I have found posts, responses, and rebuttals to be to be consistantly well thought out and well put. As a "Lurker" I read the board at least once a week. I felt compelled to throw in my thoughts of Henry Dodge. I think that the Native Americans opinion of Dodge was neither a perception of cruelty or benevolence. I believe they respected the man because he was a straight shooter. He said what he meant and meant what he said. That respect was based on fear of the big stick. Which I think the Native Americans knew he would, and could bring to bear. I further think the man would have no reservations about having an Oneida or any other Native American associated with his troops. I think he was savvy enough to make that a comfortable choice. Just some quick thoughts. This a great forum gentlemen.
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Post by Robert Braun on Mar 25, 2003 9:30:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum!
Your participation and comments regarding any topics of interest are sincerely appreciated.
Bob.
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Post by Mike Thorson on Mar 26, 2003 12:50:45 GMT -5
I have enjoyed the posts on all subjects with regards to this board. I have found posts, responses, and rebuttals to be to be consistantly well thought out and well put. As a "Lurker" I read the board at least once a week. I felt compelled to throw in my thoughts of Henry Dodge. I think that the Native Americans opinion of Dodge was neither a perception of cruelty or benevolence. I believe they respected the man because he was a straight shooter. He said what he meant and meant what he said. That respect was based on fear of the big stick. Which I think the Native Americans knew he would, and could bring to bear. I further think the man would have no reservations about having an Oneida or any other Native American associated with his troops. I think he was savvy enough to make that a comfortable choice. Just some quick thoughts. This a great forum gentlemen. Welcome to the forum, and please feel free to join in at any time. Please make sure to include your REAL name in any posts as in the past, anonymous posts have caused problems. Let me know if you have any questions.
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