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Post by Larry Koschkee on Sept 8, 2003 17:40:15 GMT -5
Mr. Braun has a remarkable "Virtual Tour" of the Battle of Wisconsin Heights on the OLRHS website and along with some great photography of the site he included a map of the battlefield. Correct me if I am in error, Bob, but I believe its source is William Salter's book The Life of Henry Dodge from 1782 to 1833.
This map appeared in The Iowa Historical Record for January, 1890, published by State Historical Society at Iowa City in 1889.
There is a similar map of the battle site in the Illinois State Historical Library (re-sketched by Col. Russell Burrows) that shows a rectangle shape in the "Ravine" with a footnote "Planned Ambush Area."
I do not know what to make of this... can anyone shed some light on this "ambush?"
Larry Koschkee
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Post by Robert Braun on Sept 9, 2003 11:16:43 GMT -5
Larry.. hello! Thank you for your kind words regarding the WH "virtual tour" www.geocities.com/old_lead/wisheights01.htmYou are correct: the source of the map is indeed the Salter book. By placing one's cusor over the map, a credit box should pop up (let me know if it doesn't; we want to give proper credit for materials used!) I have a photocopy of a map of the battlefield, drawn by a participant, if memory serves. As I write this, I do not recall if this is the Burrows map to which you are referring. That being said, in the "virtual tour" I do offer comment on the "ambush" theory that rises from time to time. I believe that it is the natural, normal tendency of persons that view the present-day battlefield to presume that the ravine area (called by some "Spy's Ravine") was indeed an "ambush site." By all comparisons... it appears just perfect! It is so perfect, that some modern viewers have forgotten that an alert opponant would also see the potential for ambuscade in the ravine and avoid the area if possible. But a supposed ambush site, or the ability to see it, is irrelevant to what apparently happened at WH. BH haden't planned an ambush here... and even if he had, Dodge and Ewing failed to offer up their companies for destruction. Let us return to the accounts of Black Hawk and Henry Dodge: First, Black Hawk-- Henry Dodge-- The word "ambush" appears in neither account. The presumption here is that ambush was not on either men's minds at the time of writing their accounts--either Dodge (shortly after the battle) or BH (many months after the battle.) Therefore, one might reasonably conclude that a prepared ambush was not among the tactical considerations at Wisconsin Heights-- regardless of the potential opportunities offered by the terrain. Bob.
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Post by Larry Koschkee on Sept 9, 2003 14:23:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments, Bob...
Just the other day I was looking at the "Burrows" map and wondered why I had not come across any reference to a "ambush" plan at the battle.
BTW, when I place the cursor on the battle map on OLRHS website the credit does come up. When I started the post I was relying on my memory.
Larry K.
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Post by Larry Koschkee on Jul 15, 2006 16:45:18 GMT -5
I am calling on message board members to offer opinions on the accuracy of the battle field map at Wisconsin Heights referenced in this thread. I am especially interested in what Mr. Rich Worthington's interpretation of landscape map symbols are. i.e., swamp or marsh, high ground and grade or relief.
The map I am speaking of can be found in Whitney's BLACK HAWK WAR, Vol II, Map 12, Crawford Thayer's THE BATTLE OF WISCONSIN HEIGHTS, pg 137 or by going to Mr. Braun's Wisconsin Heights Virtual Tour which is linked in the beginning of this thread.
Some of the main questions I have are:
1) Moving left to right across the map it appears to be high ground with "G" as a mound or high eminence, then a lower landscape with high grass or marsh icons. Questions are which is it, high grass icon or marsh icon and is the "ravine" the historical accounts reference?
2) Moving to the right we see high ground with three "F" letters which the map maker indicates "Heights occupied by the Indians from which they were driven in the charge". Moving right again the sketch relief indicates lower ground. Is this the "ravine"?
3) Moving right the sketch relief appears to indicate two seperate landscape heights with "C," "D" and "E" militia positions on high ground.
For me the key question here is the definition of sketch icon - marsh or high grass?
Your assistance would be appreciated...
Regards,
Larry Koschkee
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Post by Robert Braun on Jul 20, 2006 12:56:43 GMT -5
I am calling on message board members to offer opinions on the accuracy of the battle field map at Wisconsin Heights referenced in this thread. I am especially interested in what Mr. Rich Worthington's interpretation of landscape map symbols are. i.e., swamp or marsh, high ground and grade or relief. The map I am speaking of can be found in Whitney's BLACK HAWK WAR, Vol II, Map 12, Crawford Thayer's THE BATTLE OF WISCONSIN HEIGHTS, pg 137 or by going to Mr. Braun's Wisconsin Heights Virtual Tour which is linked in the beginning of this thread. Some of the main questions I have are: 1) Moving left to right across the map it appears to be high ground with "G" as a mound or high eminence, then a lower landscape with high grass or marsh icons. Questions are which is it, high grass icon or marsh icon and is the "ravine" the historical accounts reference? 2) Moving to the right we see high ground with three "F" letters which the map maker indicates "Heights occupied by the Indians from which they were driven in the charge". Moving right again the sketch relief indicates lower ground. Is this the "ravine"? 3) Moving right the sketch relief appears to indicate two seperate landscape heights with "C," "D" and "E" militia positions on high ground. For me the key question here is the definition of sketch icon - marsh or high grass? Your assistance would be appreciated... Regards, Larry Koschkee Larry, by way of a response to your reasoned inquiry, I would offer the following opinions: 1. The feature marked "G" is most likely "Black Hawk's Mound." 2. The elevation marked with the "F F F" line should in fact be the ridgeline that trails NNW and W towards the Wisconsin River from Black Hawk's Mound. 3. The "swamp" icon may be "swamp" as there was (and is today) a small intermittent stream that meandered through "Spy's Ravine." It may also indicate tall grass. Regardless, I believe the icons on the map indeed mark "Spy's Ravine." 4. The militia locations are reasonably accurate. We know from our field investigations that "Militia Ridge" is generally a contiguous feature, and not the string or collection of hillocks suggested by the map. I hope these thoughts are of some use. Best regards, Bob.
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Post by Larry Koschkee on Jul 25, 2006 15:42:00 GMT -5
Thanks for your comments, Bob.
For sometime, I have worked on debunking a portion of this battlefield map, which is the location of the marsh (or tall grass) indicated by the icons in relation to the stated battle positions of the militia and British Band. My suspicion started with my first examination of the Col. Russell Burrows map designated "Figure 1 - Map of Battle Site on File in Archives of Illinois (Resketched by Col. Russell Burrows)" This map places the "ravine" BETWEEN the two factions, which we must realize is only one of many positions the two factions held during the battle, however is appropriate for both maps.
If we are to believe the marsh icons on the map in question indicates the position of the"ravine," this would, in fact, place the two factions on the same side of the "ravine" with the exception being Black Hawk's commanding height.
This map has never been crystal clear to me, Bob. Set me straight here if you think I am way out in left field.
Larry
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