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Post by Nick Hoffman on Dec 1, 2004 10:26:56 GMT -5
A little early, but great resources nonetheless. My printer will be busy for a few hours! www.19thus.com/manuals.htmlThanks to the recreated 19th U.S. Regiment of Infantry, Capt. Angus Langham's Company for putting these into Adobe files online! Their website has some other valuable resources as well... Mans shirt in Ohio Historical Society Collection: www.19thus.com/mens_shirt.htmlWorth a visit. Take Care, Nick Hoffman |
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Post by Robert Braun on Dec 2, 2004 7:55:14 GMT -5
A very interesting website! The manuals are a real find! THANK YOU for posting this!
The man's shirt is interesting, but the collar is suspect, as being perhaps too short. Also, the two LARGE buttons at the collar are worrysome-- period shirts of which I am familiar used one two small four hole buttons.
Check out the photos sections, particularly the "Battle of Chippawa." Too many obvious women in the ranks for my taste...
Otherwise an interesting find!
Regards,
Bob.
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Post by trodgers on Dec 22, 2004 12:39:20 GMT -5
Robert,
I'm no expert on shirts, but I just saw the information shown below regarding the number of buttons on 1812 era shirt collars on another forum and thought you might find it interesting...
Apparantly these are the specs for U.S. Army shirts ca. 1810.
Tom Rodgers
"Purveyors Office Dec. 28, 1810"
The printed spec is as follows:
"One yard in length from the bottom of the collar to
the bottom of the tail hem.
The width to be the whole width of the dowlass or
creas linen
The sleeves to be 20 inches long
The collar to be 17 inches long
The collar to be 3 and 3-4 wide
The collar to have two buttonholes
The wristbands to be 9 inches long
The shoulder straps to be 9 and 1-2 inches long
The gusset 4 inches and 3-4 square
The bosom ruffle 2 inches and 1-2 wide
The collar to have two buttons on."
Written in hand below is the following:
"The sleeves to be 9 1/2 inches wide.
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Post by Robert Braun on Dec 22, 2004 14:38:47 GMT -5
Tom... MANY thanks for posting this information! For miitary shirts of the era, this is an excellent starting point! There would be, based on extant originals, some variation from these prescriptions in the civilian world-- particularly in the late 1820s- early 1830s. This being said, it is unfortuate to note that in the reproduction market, the machine-sewn "Rev War" pattern shirt, with machine-sewn buttonholes and two hole buttons still rules the hour...  Great post! Bob. |
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Post by trodgers on Dec 23, 2004 10:46:44 GMT -5
Bob, Please forgive my ignorance, but whats the scoop on "two hole buttons"  Tom Rodgers |
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Post by Robert Braun on Dec 23, 2004 11:29:09 GMT -5
Bob, Please forgive my ignorance, but whats the scoop on "two hole buttons" Tom Rodgers Tom, that's a great question! Garment buttons (non-military buttons normally associated with shirts, trowsers, and the like) recovered from excavations dating from the War of 1812 through the 18-teens to 1820's and including the 1832 Black Hawk War are overwhealmingly of the four and even five-hole patterns. This theme is also seen in extant original shirts, including those seen in the excellent Thoughts on Men’s Shirts in America 1750-1900 by Wm. L. Brown III, and the man's shirt on public display at the Hermitage. Indeed, the Ohio Historical Society Collection shirt posted by Nick presents the appearance of four hole buttons at the collar, atatched using the commonly-seen "x" stitching between the button's holes. Unfortunately, persons looking to replicate civilian styles of clothing prevalent in these time periods are frustrated in their attempts due to the plethora of cheaply and often crudely made buttons offered by "main stream" vendors and suppliers. These products lack the subtle craft, beauty, and four holes seen in the artifact buttons. I hope this information has been helpful in answering your question. Regards, Bob. |
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